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rent ordinance, and mr. hanson is not entitled to a jurisdictional request. he is not availing himself of other opportunities to contest this matter. he can contest it at the san francisco ran board and the has the opportunity to contest the termination notice through the court system. i would vehemently oppose -- oppose any attempt to stop the process and allow the board to accept jurisdiction while acknowledging the right he has to defend himself. i would ask that you reject jurisdiction at this time. he did not take the necessary steps. he had counseled. it was over one month from the time of service of the termination notice to him actually going to the board of permit appeals despite his claims that he only received the termination notice when the board was mailed to him. we have a proof of service that
is provided. most importantly, my clients are in a very particular situation. they bought a property knowing that it needed to have a unit removed and this simply want to avail themselves of the right to be compliant with the law. thank you. >> anything from the department? >> scott sanchez, planning department. just a few notes. no neighborhood notification is required to remove and a legal unit. records indicate that this is a two-family dwellings. the map indicates it is a two- family dwellings. i am not aware of any information that establishes it legally as three units. a third unit could not be legalized at this time. maybe mr. duffy has additional
information about the past records, but that is what we have. additionally, the permit holders briefed there was some mention of the use as an office. just to be clear, the use of this office independent of a dwelling unit would be illegal. it would be a separate commercial use. you are about to have a home office as part of an accessory to a dwelling unit, but not separate from a dwelling unit. i am available for any questions. >> i do not know that you can straighten this out for me, but in exhibit b, i assume this would be the permit holders brief, it appears as though there are six units in this building? and the tenant has the right of first refusal? i do not think it has any bearing on whether or not we agree to jurisdiction, but i am just curious. >> exhibit e is the agreement
for premises. i do not recognize this as a city document, an official city document. whoever prepared this, maybe this was a tic agreement. but it is not something that we would use as reference for establishing the number of legal units in a building. president garcia: i was just curious as to whether or not it was three units, this being the third, that the request for lives in. or whether there were actually six minutes -- six units? >> if it was being rented out as office space, that would be illegal. this is not a city documentary we did not generate this, so i cannot comment on it. >> i believe this refers to the property across the street.
there are some allocations in the brief about the requester's tendency across the street. president garcia: thank you for clearing that up. commissioner fung: the legalization process is different. it needs to be initiated at the planning commission, does it not? >> in terms of establishing this as a legal unit, we do defer to the department of building inspection to establish the legal number of units in the building. a report was prepared last year as part of the transfer of the property to the current owner. they have established this as two units treat you can petition to the department of building inspection to correct that if you have additional information that establishes a historic use of the property. i am not aware of any information that establishes historic uses. commissioner hillis: can i just
ask how this works? if you want to avail yourself of the rent board process, do we stop the planning permitting? how do they work together? >> this board has a tradition of how to handle illegal units. there are separate processes. the board does offer processes for relocation. when it is an illegal unit, i cannot exactly comment on how it plays with a unit that is illegal, which appears to be the case with this. >> mr. duffy. >> good evening, commissioners.
joseph duffey, dbi. the permit was applied for and properly obtained under -- over the counter. two dwelling units. the only thing i see, it is done on 3 units on that. that is probably not accurate but just for tax purposes. i do not see anything in the brief but is it legal occupancy. as far as i'm concerned, it is a two-unit building based on the permit. if anyone has any questions, i would be happy to answer them. >> is there any public comment? seeing none, commissioners, the
matter is submitted. president garcia: i guess the reason it would matter whether or not it was a legal 3 units, if they were to evict this tenant and go to two units, it would represent a dwelling unit merger. different processes would have to take place. there has been no evidence presented that this is anything but two units. there is no evidence presented that anything was not done that should have been done in terms of the notice. i personally look forward to the comments, but i see no reason to grant jurisdiction. commissioner fung: i am in concurrence with that. president garcia: i would move that we deny the request for jurisdiction.
>> please call the roll. >> we have a motion from president garcia to deny this jurisdiction request. commissioner fung: aye. commissioner hillis: aye. commissioner hurtado: aye. >> the boat is 4-0. this jurisdiction request is denied. >> we will call item no. 5 now. ruth levy inverses the department of public works bureau of st. use and mapping. this is protesting the issuance on december 22, 2010 of a minor sidewalk encroachment permit. the public hearing was held on february 8, 2012 and is on for
further consideration today. the matter was continue to allow time for the permit holder to pursue other proposals and allow additional briefing. is the department here? great, thank you. i would think we will start with the permit holder, since they were the one to provide additional information. we will give them three minutes, is that right, president garcia? president garcia: please. >> president garcia and members of the board, i am the permit applicants. we prepared an alternative design for a worked sidewalk as per the board's request and provided a split level sidewalk previously submitted to you. we submitted the drawing to the department of public works on
february 21 for their review. the drawing -- i am showing a drawing now of a proposed design for a worked sidewalk. -- a warped sidewalk. there is a five-inch step at each of the store entrances, hear, hear, and here. -- here, here, and here. this step was lowered from 9 inches to 5 inches. at 11 comment street, there would be a four-inch round inside of the store as well as a landing at the store entrance to. my clients have advised me that they prefer the proposed warped sidewalk option because of the members concerns and their own
tents concerns. i have prepared cost estimates, as you requested. both for the split level sidewalk and for the warped sidewalk. as you can see, the cost differential is fairly minimal. it also explains the sources we had for the estimates. there is one difference -- there would be some loss of space in 11 clement because of the level landing carry it would have a long-term impact. i think that is all i have to say. do you have any questions for me? >> the last time you were here, we talked about a vacant storefront. two stores that were combined
into one area your estimates for the gate in the middle of the sidewalk for the entire life, did you look at not doing anything to the storefront, where it is not an entrance currently? >> for the warped sidewalk? commissioner hillis: either alternative. >> we did not look at not having a raised sidewalk at 11 clement yet. the cost estimates that you see before you are based on the previous scheme that we had. commissioner hillis: the storefront that does not need an entrance now, the vacant storefront, is the largest differential between the store and the sidewalk, correct?
>> correct. that is 11clement st. we have reduced the steps so it would be 5 inches there. if somebody walks out that door, unless we close it off, there would be a nine-inch step and that is higher than is allowed by code. we need to plan for future use of that space at this time with the sidewalk, i think. if the tenant moves out and they need a different tenant, we have an issue there. commissioner hillis: right. you can always come back for that approval. what you are asking for is to put a rather long gate in the middle of the sidewalk. if you do not need it -- i think it is pretty drastic in this case, accommodating some entry into the storefront.
you do not need it because those storefronts are merged. >> i would have to look at that to see what would be the impact of reducing that. it would potentially mean that that would be a difficult sport -- a difficult storefront to rent in the future. commissioner hillis: it is rented now, correct? >> yes. if it became vacant. commissioner fung: the department letter of response is based on -- >> they did a letter based on the same design your looking at now. commissioner fung: and they indicate that your cross slope is in excess of city standards. >> correct. commissioner fung: do you concur with that? >> yes.
commissioner fung: then that design is not an appropriate design. based upon the directions from this board. the difficulty in getting that across slow occurs -- that cross slope occurs because of the differential elevation between the store on the left and the store on the right to. what happens if you were to warp it for two doors and went to a split with some kind of a planner or something else? that would reduce the cross slope, would it not? >> i think i understand what you are asking. even if we did not have an entrance to a 11 clement st., we
would still need to have this worked sidewalk -- warped sidewalk with these slopes. the cross slope is going from the entrances of seven and nine clement, and you go down 4.2% from there and it drops down radically to 14% at nine clement and at 7 clement, i think it is 11% smoke. that is 4 feet from the sidewalk to the curb. commissioner fung: the slightly different alternative, conceptually it may work. at 7 clement you create a split
sidewalk and design it so there is a -- there is something that addresses the elevation difference and then warp the sidewalk at the other doors. is that possible? >> i am not sure i follow that. only at seven clement, there would be a split level sidewalk? commissioner fung: that is correct. >> but it would also need to have that at 9 clement. once you start at the curb, you go up towards the building and that is where we are running into problems. we would have to make up about 5 inches from what is on the existing kerr of to the current step. there is already a 3% slope in the sidewalk. it is the only way we can get up from the curb to the floor level
of seven and nine clement, is to have these excessive slopes for the first 4 feet or so. commissioner fung: maybe we should hear from the department and then i can rephrase the question. >> ok. thank you very much. >> actually, we will hear from the appellant next and then the department. >> good evening, commissioners. i do not know what to say because i was as puzzled by what i was given about one week late. . i did not know how to respond. i also received, and just as i walked in, the response from the department saying that his
drawings were not acceptable. we are back to square one and i do not know what to tell you. my view has always been the problem should be solved inside the stores. there are lots of stores that have raised flooring. here is a picture of the entryway down the street. is that not showing? it is a recessed entry and this is 55 clement, just down the street. i imagined it is not quite as slow as -- as sloped as the permit holder location. we all have these recessed entries with a little bit of a slope that brings you into a raised floor. i do not understand why that is not a viable solution.
his analysis also shows that the ramp inside 11 clement is $4,000. i do not understand why it would not be $4,000 or one of the other stores. i do not understand the analysis. i guess we are back to square one. and i definitely am a fan of the ramp outside and split sidewalk. i think you have a better view of what is code and what will work here. none of these solutions seem to work for me. commissioner hillis: you have a retail store front? >> yes. there are only three owners on the spot. mr. silveand the other owner is not here tonight. there is this really big 1-11,
which is about one-third of the block, almost half of the plot. -- of the block. i have a property and there is another down the street. most of them have these recessed entries. just because of the history of the building -- commissioner hillis: if you look at the 1908 plans, which was included, the building was originally built to have the recessed -- >> i do not know what happened. i know that there was some remodeling. there was also some granite across the bottom. i cannot rememberthere have bee,
and getting into them has always been a step up. with 11 clement, that is almost a moot point. i do not know how long the lease is, but 11 and nine have been combined. that could be addressed at some future point. i was kind of taken aback with the department response. mr. nathan's drawings -- i guess we are back to square one. thank you. >> good evening. department of public works, bureau of mapping. in originally reviewing this design, i am referring to the sidewalk design. short of the applicant doing any
modifications within the building, and for obtaining a variance from the building department, such as an automatic door -- currently, the doors are at the property line. and they swing in word. according to the ada, that are required to have a 4 foot landing at no more than a quarter inch per foot out to the sidewalk. to maintain the path of trouble. we allowed a half-inch across a slope, 4.2%, within that path of trouble, leaving several inches over the last 4 feet by the curb. our main concern -- we have allowed in certain parts of the city, where you have either loading zones for a red zone fronting the property, where there is no real pedestrian access -- we have allowed that last for feet to slope sometimes up to 10%.
but in this case. -- in this case, as was mentioned originally, because the cars here park diagonally, that 4 foot section adjacent to the trees and parking meters is used by pedestrians to access the sidewalk. for somebody to access the sidewalk with cross loads ranging from 11% to 14% -- the department felt that was unsafe, basically. that was taken into account that my initial meeting with mr. nathan, the architect, which is why we felt that the original split level side what design was the best approach, based on the fact that this building did take up, as was testified, approximately half the block. and you have four different tenant entries.
it is not a ramp, perce. -- per se. it is a continuous ramp. it does not serve just one property. if someone walking on clement street wanted to continue down that ramp, it would be fine. it would work. that is where we are today. commissioner fung: based upon the letter, it indicates a cross slope of around 10%. i guess i was trying to see if there was some way -- if we cannot handle the complete warping of the sidewalk across the building, is there a way to
reduce the split side walk, so the impact of this and the way we can treat that -- perhaps there is a better way to do with this. >> we would definitely consider something. i wrote the letter that was signed by mr. kwan. we would consider -- right now, the current design that was approved had these put levels leadfoot at 8 foot 8 inches wide. basically right up to the edge of the tree wells. we would consider a narrow width of the split will sidewalk, still living today -- split level sidewalk, still living -- still leading a pack of trouble. it would be a split level sidewalk within that 8 feet 8 inches, 5 feet wide or would ever is required for ada with
that in access, with a wind design. the remaining portion, 4 feet minimum, would remain as the existing sidewalk for those that wanted to walk through. we would consider that. >> i -- commissioner hillis: i guess my concern is the 3 ft. 8 in the middle of the sidewalk. clement street is a vibrant commercial corridor. >> that was taken into account during my first visit to the site. commissioner hillis: we saw some pictures were this was done before, it down on fisherman's wharf. there are huge variances. this does not have a lot.
it is a pretty modest sloped sidewalk. for this to be a solution, my concern would be a solution throughout the city. we have dates in the middle of the sidewalk, where pedestrians are walking. it is wide, but it is not that wide to have that gate there. i would like to explore other options, including the property owner taking some -- like the appellate said, doing it inside. the ' 08 drawings show that vestibule. i think this is kind of -- >> you are absolutely correct. short of doing something within the building, we could still allow some more been in the sidewalk. we do it all the -- some warping
in the sidewalk. we do it all the time if a building is to take up 3 inches to bring it out into the sidewalk. 3 inches over a 15 foot sidewalk is a piece of cake. we have done that all over the city. if it is done right, you cannot even tell. based on the current design of the building, where the doors are at the property line, even though they swing in word, that still requires the 4 ft. lyndon -- four foot landing. you are taking up approximately 4 inches in the last 3 feet. commissioner hillis: people are walking down the street, looking at the storefront, not necessarily looking at what is in front of them. who is